Copy part of the web page (rich text + pictures)
When copying part of the web page from a browser (both IE and Firefox) and pasting directly to item details window, it doesn't preserve the style and pictures are missing.
At the moment I solve it in this way: I open empty word document, paste it there, and copying from there and pasting to UR preserves everything with all the pictures. My questions: 1. do you know of a FREE document editor (or any other intermediary soft) that I could use for this? 2. or is there a completely another way to copy a part of the website with all the formatting+pictures? Thanks |
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I dont want to have an item with JUST that part of the website. I'd like to paste part of the website inside an existing item, preserving the clipped formating+pictures, sth really essential, but which doesn't work in UR (or I'm not aware of)! Thanks |
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but the original question remains ;-) Or is it only me who feels that this is really a basic feature and should be an essential part of the UR feature list? |
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I use the free Nvu editor - a wysiwug html editor or Word if I want to splice several such pastes together and reformat. Using Word allows me to create an RTF UR Item. Pick your poison--RTF is a Microsoft proprietary markup language. Version 1.9 of the specification contains the latest updates introduced by Microsoft Office Word 2007. (The spec is downloadable at 5.3 MB!) Free editors like OpenOffice support RTF at least to some version of the spec as does the RTF editor module of UR. I have resigned to the fact getting the "right" formating across applications all the time is hopeless... Any further insight would be appreciated.... |
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Actually, I've found it just as easy to send the entire webpage to UR as a Stored Copy - this gives you the context of the material, the originating URL as a reference, as a Stored Copy the webpage is available for viewing regardless of whether or not you have an internet connection (something to consider if distrbuting the UR database), and the webpage is available for further processing for presentation purposes in your program(s) of choice. In this sense UR becomes a glorified File Manager. Later, KenA |
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Then also obviously would be very nice to have a html export of notes, rather than the current big/clumsy rft files export. In fact, the html export would be welcome irrespective of the above ... |
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I have found that using rich-text-formating to move stuff between different OS's and software works reasonably well, most of the time, once my expectations were realigned..... :-)
This might be interesting to some.... Microsoft RTF Specification Nightmare |
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What do I do? If the formating is important or garbled- I clean it up in Word and possibly leave it there with a link in UR. Remember the world needs early adopters... |
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But here is my comment on this topic: If you are a software development company (like Kinook) then you have to develop a product that reaches a huge user base. Developing software is a very complex, time consuming and an expensive task. And you have to deal with a lot of bad implementatations (I don't name examples here...). Considering that around 80% of all PCs and laptops ever sold have MS Office installed then it is very logical that Kinook decieded to provide an rtf editor. Editing HTML is ok for geeks and power users but not for the average. Further, since UR is based on a database engine I suppose that providing an HTML editor will lead to a significant performance issue. Please note that I am not a big supporter of Microsoft. But the reality today is that the MS Office suite has still the highest market share. And even I am risking to walk around wearing my head in the arms: The versions 2003 and 2007 are not that bad. I am using MS Office 2003 every day and don't have any issues with it. Dominik |
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Anyway, it's fine as it is, but if they provide option to edit html inside UR, where I suppose would be easier to drag/drop directly from website (which doesnt work with rtf at the moment), then the user would be able to choose the format of items ... |
An HTML solution is not without a lot of difficulties itself. HTML can be rendered easily enough with an embedded browser--but you probably have sometimes observed the difference in rendering between Firefox and IE...very similar to the RTF problem.
See Difficulties in achieving WYSIWYG at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_editor Editing is a big problem...not so hard to implement if your target user population likes to input the markup tags in a text editor....but are embedded WYSIWYG HTML editors as well developed and as available as embedded RTF? Otherwise it's the big guns...Word processors or specialized HTML editors like MS Frontpage (still installed with Office?), Nvu (nolonger developed?), Mozilla Composer, etc. So it seems to me - User expectations are high and the technologies to met them are flawed. |
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it's just that recently I started working with google notebook when I'm off my pc, which works beautifully with web page snippets (I mark sth inside firefox, small plus sign appears and clicking on that adds to my notes, which you can then export to google doc), so I thought it shouldn't be a big problem for Kinook to make it work inside UR if the base item format was html. I'm still missing Kinook's point of view on all this ... |
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